DEBATE: Socialism is public, not a conspiracy
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Regarding the Grand Conspiracy of Government and Media, I have pin-pointed the source of my bewilderment. In order for the federal government to uphold this conspiracy to keep us all lapping at the trough of federalism, they would need to have a huge cover-up ongoing. It would have to permeate the federal government throughout the executive, the legislative, and judicial branch. In addition, state governments at all levels would have to be involved. The press would have to be in on it so they could "tow the line" and that would have to include the "new media" of talk radio and the internet bloggers. The university system would most likely be in on it as many are run by the state. I think even cities and municipalities would have to be in on it. All the corporations both home and abroad would have to be in, since they seem to be the benefactor.
How, on earth, do you think this Grand Scheme is keep silent. This is literally the majority of citizens that have to be silent. You can't get a couple of women to not gossip, yet hundreds of millions of people are all silent?
LIBERTARIAN:
It's not a conspiracy, but the mainstream media is fully controlled by corporate interests that frame the debate narrowly, so that the coverage remains skin-deep.
Noam Chomsky's DVD, "Manufacturing Consent" exposes this pretty well. I also have personal friends who worked in New York TV and film for 30 years who testify very plainly to the 'way it is'.
For instance, my friends were personal friends of Charles Couralt, CBS's main Viet Nam reporter, who quit because CBS kept changing his stories to suit the government/ corporate owner's needs.
According to Couralt's wife, they also had him murdered in the hospital.
America's Socialism is in full open view for anyone who cares to pull up the rug to see it.
Like a frog in a kettle, the U.S. has slowly become the slave of the powerful interests who have been loaning the money to operate the country since the civil war.
Note in the 14 Amendment (1865): "The validity of the public debt of the US (ed. to the foreign bankers) shall not be questioned."
Now does that sound like free speech to you?
Sounds to me like the 14th amendment comes from a different mode of government than the 1st amendment.
And it does.
The Civil war bankrupted the country, as did WW1, as did VietNam.
And each time the bankers who float the money, decided that a little more socialism was good for the banking business...
Because Socialism consolidates control in a central location whereby a large country can be more easily manipulated.
It goes back further.
Alexander Hamilton and his buddies made sure the Constitution itself was carefully written to allow loopholes for corporate interests to control government.
For instance, it says, "no State shall make legal tender anything but gold and silver coin."
Ostensibly this was to prevent debt-based paper money, but later the bankers figured out that they could twist it to mean, "States can't make paper money, but the Federal Govt can make money out of horse manure or whatever other fool thing they want."
STATIST:
So did Alexander Hamilton do this on purpose to aid bankers who only later figured it out?
LIBERTARIAN:
The twisting of the gold/silver rule was gradual, but planned.
This is a GREAT link that you can use to teach your children about how it all goes down:
http://gold-eagle.com/editorials_99/hannigan092099.html
The name of the banker character in the story is 'Fabian' for Fabian Socialism.
STATIST:
You are telling me [people we love] were involved in killing innocent people from a country we were not at war with?
LIBERTARIAN:
Sure, lots of times, all over the world.
Of course, most of the soldiers never meant to harm innocent people.
It was for some elitist's conception of "the greater good".
It's "collateral damage" in a "covert action." Except lately they're overt.
By the emergency powers which are now nearly total, the President just says "we're at war"- no formal declaration of war is necessary.
That's monarchy.
STATIST:
Can you name another country that has done more for the aid of the world.
Last time I checked, in financial aid both governmental and private, we equal the rest of the world combined.
We were instrumental in the fall of communism and the defeat of Hitler, those two combined is almost half the globe liberated principally by the US.
LIBERTARIAN:
"We", financed the rise of national Socialism.
For instance, Hitler couldn't have even tracked 6 million Jews without IBM's machines.
Try to find any major headline condemning Hitler in the New York times before, say, 1942. It ain't there.
Just like you won't find anything about East Timor or any of the other really nasty situations "we've" been in bed with.
We both hate fascism, however you've been persuaded that the most really dangerous fascists are Hitler and Osama (who I see as cartoons, puppets, replaceable), whereas fascism as more broadly spread, and most insidious at the popular level and at the banking level.
Note the Roman fasces underneath Lincoln's arms here:
and on the senate wall here:
Do you think this might just be a very obvious, powerful and deep clue that the Roman Empire is very much revived?
The fasces is a very potent and fascinating symbol- not a decorative artwork.
The headless sticks (Egyptian Teken, from where we get the word 'dick') represent the people.
The central Ax they are tied to represents the War State.
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STATIST:
Wow,
Sounds like a conspiracy to me.
LIBERTARIAN:
No conspiracy. While the details of the Socialist takeover are buried deep in documents almost no one reads, like the Patriot Act, (which the Congressmen didn't even get to read before passing), there is plenty of evidence right in front of our eyes.
Which of these 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto, as currently implemented in America, are secret?
*1 Confiscatory property taxes under FDR's 1933 law that the State owns all property
2 Federal and state income taxes
3 Heavy Inheritance taxes
*4 Seizure without due process (of property of suspected "rebels" for instance)
5 A central private Banking Monopoly (Federal Reserve act of 1913)
*6 State control of media and transportation
*7 State control of means of production
8 Mothers economically forced to work. Overwhelming number of govt wards and govt employees.
9 Agribusiness displacing family farms (biblically forbidden);
10 Public School & child labor 'protection' laws (ask the Amish about that!)
* Partially implemented and progressing fast
For details see here:
http://libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html
All of those 10 planks as being implemented in America right under our noses, with surprisingly little protest. Why? Because the media tells us that we live in a 'Democracy'.
"Democracy is 9 wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch"- Ben Franklin
Funny that the Pres says America is a democracy and they're going to force it upon the world at gunpoint, when all of the "founding fathers" knew democracy was merely anarchy- "mobocracy."
STATIST:
How is it Bill Bennett at el write their own books that correspond to their espoused views through the media? Are the in on it, or are they forced to comply?
LIBERTARIAN:
Bill is part of the corporate/government system. He was a federal employee.
He is allowed to say what he wants as long as he doesn't rock the boat.
As long as he keeps you in the State-Church game.
If he rocks the boat, like Gore Vidal or Noam Chomsky, he won't get airtime.
They don't lock him in a box in the basement and beat him, they just reduce his access to the mass audience.
So what does he do- he bashes Democans and tries to get you to vote for Republicrats. Again- reframing the debate in terms so narrow as to keep you from seeing what's really going on.
STATIST:
How is it we have competing media, different corporations have different interests?
Seems they would ban together and really soak us.
LIBERTARIAN:
They're competing within a very narrow range of dialogue.
That's why contrarian ideas seem so unusual.
Corporations have only one interest: money.
STATIST:
No argument that the main stream media is liberally biased.
LIBERTARIAN:
Do you mean Liberal, meaning classic Libertarian (hurt no one and do what you want?)
Or liberal meaning big government with benefits for everyone?
If you mean big govt, then Bush2 must be a liberal. He set up the biggest bureaucracy in the history of Earth.
STATIST:
Do you claim the internet bloggers and Christian/Conservative radio are in on it also?
LIBERTARIAN:
Internet bloggers are mostly individuals, each with their own perspective or one borrowed.
Corporate "Christian"/ "Conservative" talk radio- absolutely. I know that world very, very well.
STATIST:
Salem Radio network is sold out?
LIBERTARIAN:
To the degree that it is tied into the ClearChannel system or or its ilk, certainly.
When the range of perspectives is limited, that's how you tell.
The CCM music artists they are advertising, (some of my friends) are wholly owned and controlled brands of the mainstream media companies: contractually gagged and bound.
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.
But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
STATIST:
And all this time I supposed they were erasing the civil war debts.
LIBERTARIAN:
The civil war debt never got erased.
The only time the national debt has been paid off was once, under Andrew Jackson in 1835. (Then they tried to kill Jackson.)
The 7 Trillion $ debt cannot be questioned NOW. 1st amendment be scrogged.
STATIST:
So the whole terrorist tracking reason was just made up?
Bush saw an opportunity to really lay it to us once and for all and with a maniacal laugh went for it?
LIBERTARIAN:
No, it's not all black and white.
There probably really are some Islamic terrorists. But the focus on Islamic terrorists prevents people from thinking about the real issues that matter most.
Bush would probably very much like to help, but he is employed by the creditors to this debtor nation.
He does not work for the people. The people are the debtors and therefore biblically, slaves.
The government is a wholly owned subsidiary of the bank-controlled corporations (the money powers).
This is a megatrend: the obsoletion of government.
The New York Times is a wholly owned subsidiary of the banking powers. They're very competent.
LIBERTARIAN:
Again, no conspiracy.
Lazy people want benefits,
politicians borrow from the banks to give the lazy people benefits in exchange for votes,
and the banks thereby become the people's masters.
The banks own corporations which control the 'government'.
Over time, this becomes Socialism.
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The EU and the US are owned by the same banks, under God's infallible principle that "the borrower is slave to the lender".
And we can't roll this situation back- that'd be like saying you're going to fire your mortgage company.
But we can get ready for what's coming.
We can get out of debt, and learn from the lessons of other believers in fascist settings.
And try on an individual level, to protect the children from the powers that will soon come to mark and enslave them. (Embedded rfid tags, anyone?)
